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eat_beef 09-03-2008 02:11 PM
OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Well, I guess he might...


We have for sale one very rare Vietnam era 100lb Drum of M2 Fuel Thickener which is used to make Napalm for flamethrowers. As you can see the drum is in EXCELLENT condition with all it's markings. The drum has been opened (opened by the previous owner) but the drum still looks like it's full. There is enough thickener here to make around 400 gallons of napalm for use in the portable flamethrower.
Also included is a copy of the original mixing instructions that come in the can.

Asking $800 plus UPS shipping or you are welcome to pick the drum up here at our place.
Will take all forms of payment.
For more pics see the link below the picture.
To see a picture of Napalm in action click this link https://armamentsales.sslpowered.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/James_Napalm.jpg
I know the drum is marked "oil" but it's not an actual liquid oil, it's a powder type stuff that is mixed with gasoline to produce Napalm.
Thanks James DeGroat
President
DeGroat Tactical Armaments, LLC.
www.ArmamentSales.com

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eyeofliberty 09-03-2008 02:31 PM
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Heh, makes me think of this Carlin skit:

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Tn...Andy 09-03-2008 02:38 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Go buy 100lb of Tide laundry soap.....same thing with the OD green drum.

Better still, go to a wholesale place like Sams, buy the offbrand stuff in the plastic buckets, and you'd have 1/2 the cost of Tide in it.

Now....the canisters and the F4 Phantom to drop 'em are gonna run a bit more.

silverJeep 09-03-2008 02:58 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!

Who?

Just kidding!! Although there's probably a lot here that have no knowledge of Ponce. Great source of prepping knowledge he was.

If you still lurk here, Here's to ya buddy.:beer:

educatedredneck 09-03-2008 03:00 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
5 min after buying that shit the fine men and women from homeland security will be giving you a free all expenses paid vacation to GITMO with a side order of waterboarding at no extra charge

Twisted Avatar 09-03-2008 03:01 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1268330)
Go buy 100lb of Tide laundry soap.....same thing with the OD green drum.

Better still, go to a wholesale place like Sams, buy the offbrand stuff in the plastic buckets, and you'd have 1/2 the cost of Tide in it.

Now....the canisters and the F4 Phantom to drop 'em are gonna run a bit more.
Dont you have to mix it with gasoline???

T

eat_beef 09-03-2008 03:04 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by educatedredneck (Post 1268377)
5 min after buying that shit the fine men and women from homeland security will be giving you a free all expenses paid vacation to GITMO with a side order of waterboarding at no extra charge
RE your handle, heavy on the second half, light on the first.

educatedredneck 09-03-2008 03:12 PM
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Quote:
RE your handle, heavy on the second half, light on the first.
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what is wrong Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease eating away at your gray matter
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Sparky 09-03-2008 03:12 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1268330)
Go buy 100lb of Tide laundry soap.....same thing with the OD green drum.
"Tide was designed with mothers in mind..."

elroy 09-03-2008 03:17 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Ah, nothing like the smell of barbecued zombie in the morning.:shocked_ma:

DeGroat Tactical Armaments, LLC.
www.ArmamentSales.com

Repairs and builds mini-guns for law enforcement.

Exactly what law enforcement agency needs a mini-gun?

eat_beef 09-03-2008 03:33 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by educatedredneck (Post 1268411)
what is wrong Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease eating away at your gray matter

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Nothing is wrong on my end, I understand that this is a non restricted item, much like the soap to which Andy refers.

I also understand that there is no scientific link between BSE in cattle and CJD in humans.

I'm surprised your 'education' hasn't already uncovered any such info...

Tn...Andy 09-03-2008 03:42 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisted Avatar (Post 1268381)
Dont you have to mix it with gasoline???

T

Yes....but they aren't selling you the gasoline....just the laundry soap.

The soap powder ( and peanut hulls that make up the vast majority of what you actually SEE in a box of Tide ) causes the gasoline to "jelly" and become sticky.

Actually, there are a lot of WAY more cool chemicals on your grocer's shelf just waiting for you to play "Mr Chemistry"..... :D

JJ_ 09-03-2008 03:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 1268479)
....
Actually, there are a lot of WAY more cool chemicals on your grocer's shelf just waiting for you to play "Mr Chemistry"..... :D
Damn - I need a cook book!:D


and as a side note-- I wonder how long it's gonna be before we see AD make a new thread in the Firearms section saying he's gonna "get one of THESE BABIES!!!"

https://armamentsales.sslpowered.com...e_Miniguns.jpg

Tn...Andy 09-03-2008 03:56 PM
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I just wanna know how he plans to feed and maintain one !

educatedredneck 09-03-2008 06:09 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
I also understand that there is no scientific link between BSE in cattle and CJD in humans.

I'm surprised your 'education' hasn't already uncovered any such info...













Quote:
Tuesday, 21 December, 1999, 12:16 GMT
CJD-BSE link 'indisputable'




Prion diseases cause vacuoles, or holes, in the brain

Scientists believe they have the most "compelling" evidence yet that so-called mad cow disease, or BSE, has infected humans and caused fatal brain damage.
They say the findings increase concern that "a large section of the UK population may be at considerable risk" after having eaten infected beef.



"Taken together with other evidence, the link is now indisputable," Professor Stephen DeArmond, from the University of California, San Francisco, and one of the researchers behind the study, told the BBC.

He said there was still much to learn about Creutzfeldt-Jakob (vCJD) disease - the illness linked to BSE - and how many people might eventually die, but he warned that the consequences could be "frightening".

Frances Hall, from the Human BSE Foundation, which supports families affected by vCJD, said it would be of some comfort to know where the disease had come from.

"Some people have tried to deny this link, but this study confirms it."

Two-year inquiry

Researchers from both the US and the UK were involved in the study. They have established that the same type of infectious agent, or prion, is responsible for both BSE in cows and the new form of Creutzfeldt-Jakob (vCJD) disease in humans that has struck down at least 48 people.



A large section of the UK population may be at considerable risk

US and UK research team
The news, reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA, has come right at the end of Lord Phillips's two-year inquiry into the causes of the BSE crisis.

Winding up the public hearings on Friday, Lord Phillips also warned that the number of people who have already died from eating infected meat products in Britain could be just the "tip of the iceberg".

Professor Liam Donaldson, the chief medical officer, said: "There is still a lot of uncertainty about this disease, but we are not going to know for several years whether the size of the epidemic will be a small one - in the hundreds - or a very large one - in the hundreds of thousands."

The crisis resulted in the wholesale slaughter of thousands of cows and a beef export ban.

Species barrier

Most experts believe that the sudden appearance of vCJD in 1996 - a disease that causes sponge-like holes in the brain - has its origins in diseased cattle.

They hypothesised that both BSE and vCJD were caused by rogue prion proteins that jumped the species barrier from cows into humans. But although various studies have appeared to support this linkage, conclusive proof has remained elusive.



Some countries are still reluctant to import British beef

Now researchers from the University of California, San Francisco, and the UK National CJD Surveillance Unit, Scotland, have reported striking similarities between the two diseases. The scientists conducted experiments with mice genetically-altered to produce the same prions naturally found in cows.

They discovered, not unexpectedly, that there was no species barrier between the mice and cows. Diseased brain tissue injected into the mice produced symptoms in 250 days, the same incubation period experienced by cattle with BSE.

A second group of mice given prions from the first group also became sick in virtually the same period of time. But the big surprise came when human brain tissue infected with the prions that cause vCJD was injected into the mice.

'Indistinguishable' identities

Once again there was no apparent sign of a species barrier, but, more significantly, vCJD had virtually the same incubation period in the mice as BSE.

The pattern of brain damage was also identical. The results suggest that BSE and vCJD are interchangeable. Introduced into transgenic mice, vCJD prions assumed an identity "indistinguishable from BSE prions", the researchers write in the PNAS.



BSE is thought have its origins in sheep

The similarities not only force the scientists to the conclusion that BSE must be the cause of vCJD, but make them worry that many more people than previously thought could fall ill as a result of eating infected meat.

The research team also found their altered mice were highly susceptible to infection with the sheep prion disease scrapie, although this produced a different biological pattern.

Scientists suspect BSE may have originated in cattle as a result of feeding them sheep remains infected with scrapie. The transgenic mice used in this study could be used to check this linkage, the team say.







NO link none at all :banghead::banghead::banghead:






http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/572832.stm

Between The Wheels 09-03-2008 06:30 PM
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I'm saving up for the 90mm anti-tank cannon. After a few 'withdrawals' with that I'll be able to afford the $65,000 minigun setup. Sounds like I could show up at DeGroat's with a one ounce Gold Eagle or cash and have a barrel of napalm with no fuss. Then again I have no F-4 or alternate dispersal system.

mtnman 09-03-2008 06:34 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Have you posted here: http://www.machinegunshoot.com/forums/

Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot. I know they have several Flamethrowers.

eat_beef 09-04-2008 12:29 AM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
redneck, I suppose you're a trained epidemioligist?

By the WHO's own standards, there has been no causal link between BSE and CJD. I'm going by memory, but I believe there are 4 criteria. In any case, the "link" fails all criteria. It's fear mongering, plain and simple.

I'm glad that you can dig up a MSM fear mongering report, now actually do some reasearch.

Just use some common sense, supposedly CJD can incubate for an indefinite period in the human brain. Why haven't we seen an epidemic of CJD in the past 5 years? Literally hundreds of millions of people were 'exposed' to BSE beef all through the 90s (and most likely for decades before). If BSE causes CJD, why aren't all those cases coming to light now?

BTW, and back on topic, why would one be 'sent to Gitmo' for buying a non restricted bbl of soap?

eat_beef 09-04-2008 09:24 AM
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I couldn't find my copy of the original report (from 02ish), but here's a snippet from an 05 report, not written by a BBC reporter.

BSE/vCJD: From research published from October 1996 onwards, scientific evidence has been accumulating that BSE infectivity and variant CJD (vCJD) infectivity carry the same "fingerprint". Although the scientific evidence does not prove a causal connection, the evidence is consistent with the transmissibility of BSE infectivity to at least some humans (possibly to all humans but at varying incubation rates); and taken in conjunction with related circumstances it increases the likelihood of a causal connection. It is theoretically possible that both BSE and vCJD may have been triggered by some third presently unsuspected cause, but it is difficult to conceive what that might be. On 28 September 2001, the UK Department of Health announced a �55 million compensation package for families of vCJD victims.

http://www.foodsafetynetwork.ca/en/l...7&sc=46&id=170

We're still waiting on your response to the original question.

Osaka 09-04-2008 09:36 AM
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In high school, this guy I know soaked a stack of white styrophome cups in gasoline. He soon developed the nickname "napalm".

educatedredneck 09-04-2008 10:08 AM
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Quote:
I also understand that there is no scientific link between BSE in cattle and CJD in humans.





As to the original question it was tongue n cheek so to speek but I guess I should not have assumed that all people had the gray matter to understand what I was was saying So I will type this slow that hopefuly you will get it this time. In this day and time in history the normal rules dont seem to apply for example when I was a kid we use to make small anfo bombs in baby food jars with strike any where matches and the law could not care less to day it is still legal to own diesel fuel and fertalizer but if you go out and purchase large amounts of this fertalizer you can expect to be paid a visit by The ATF I thought that by saying that you would be sent to gitmo(as far as I know US citizens dont get sent there )and then waterboarded( again as far as I know no american citizens have been waterboarded ) that the tongue n cheek part would have been seen my fault I will try to dumb it down next time my main point with the post was how would you explain to the feds or any one else for that matter ( Like a jury of sheep after the feds claim you are a terrorist what you were doing with a drum full of napalm making material)

silverJeep 09-04-2008 10:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osaka (Post 1269916)
In high school, this guy I know soaked a stack of white styrophome cups in gasoline. He soon developed the nickname "napalm".
Yeah, that's the mix I've heard of as well. We had a gy in high school that did the same thing. I want to say he used to put it in ping pong balls and carry it around. ??? ...I don't know, something about ping pong balls.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack the DISEASE thread.

eat_beef 09-04-2008 03:22 PM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
1)Have you actually bought any anhydrous and diesel lately?

2)Were you contacted by the ATF?

Or did you just read about it on the internet, then spout off about it?

BTW, 1) I have, and 2) I have not.

Point two:

Link= causal connection. Sorry if I was unclear. Of course there is a link, they are both CNS diseases appearantly related to prions. But there is no proof of a direct link between the two.

AT any rate, the arguement has become tedious. Truce.

Unclad Lad 09-05-2008 12:27 AM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
If you don't hold it, you don't have it.

But just because he don't say he has it, don't mean he don't hold it. :wink:

Between The Wheels 09-05-2008 12:37 AM
Re: OK, even Ponce doesn't have any of this stuff!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverJeep (Post 1269985)
Yeah, that's the mix I've heard of as well. We had a gy in high school that did the same thing. I want to say he used to put it in ping pong balls and carry it around. ??? ...I don't know, something about ping pong balls.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack the DISEASE thread.

Maybe this is what you're thinking of?
http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/INC...S/anarchy2.txt

In high school we would pack a tennis ball with match heads and throw it. Never tried it with a ping pong ball though. Didn't try the gas tank/ping pong idea either. Made napalm too but it was kinda boring without the advanced delivery system.


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